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Basically eight years in New York City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720#t=74.4,83.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720/transcript/89444/annotation/1181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Six years in two college experiences in Middletown, Connecticut, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720#t=87.28,92.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720/transcript/89444/annotation/1182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ithaca, New York. 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We're recording this at the Jersey City or the Museum of Jersey City","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720#t=105.6,113.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720/transcript/89444/annotation/1185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"history in the historic apple tree house. I'm vice president of the board of that museum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720#t=113.68,119.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720/transcript/89444/annotation/1186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the connection that that got us together today. Yeah. 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But no, I guess a percentage wise it was fast-paced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720#t=261.36,272.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720/transcript/89444/annotation/1206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think Boulder was maybe 30 or 40,000 when I left town. And that's pretty big from 6,000. 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I grew up in a trilingual household.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720#t=467.76,474.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720/transcript/89444/annotation/1232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you had Germans from France? French?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720#t=474.24,480.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720/transcript/89444/annotation/1233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's a useful French. You went to Paris? 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Wesleyan is the very, it's even more so than I've ever engaged college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720#t=634.48,643.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720/transcript/89444/annotation/1253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I got involved in civil rights activities. I met Malcolm X and Martin Luther King during the time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720#t=643.52,651.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/165912/file/301720/transcript/89444/annotation/1254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there. 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