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We do these interviews—you just go through all the life history. So we'll just start with where you were born and your family and where you grew up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=12.5952,36.05583"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well, my family is from Union City, 20th street and Kennedy Boulevard; it was Hudson Boulevard back then in 1952. I was born like—all my friends—in Margaret Hague hospital in the heart of Jersey City and my family home on 20th street was built by my grandfather in the 1920s and my mother lived there until about 1995 or so. So, she hadn't moved until then until she retired and moved to a retirement community. So, Union City is in three generations of my family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=36.05583,86.03253"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and when you say “built by your grandfather” that's he had it built or literally—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=86.03253,94.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e He had it built, it was a brick building. He paid for it, yeah. And my family had a candy distributor—candy and tobacco distributor in the Jersey City Heights where my grandfather, and my father, my grandmother, and I worked. I used to work there after school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=94.0,114.20039"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was wholesale?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=114.20039,117.69897"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Wholesale, yeah, wholesale and I would go out on deliveries to all the candy stores throughout Hudson County and drop off the cartons of cigarettes and candy and move on to the next one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=117.69897,131.57207"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And what was the block like or what type of neighborhood was it in Union Heights?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=131.57207,137.08282"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e In Jersey, in the Heights where the business was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=137.08282,143.87595"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, in Union City, sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=143.87595,144.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e It was just a residential block, no stores. The big anchor on the block was a funeral home: the Leber Funeral Home, which I think is still there, and they had a big parking lot and we used to use the parking lot to play touch football and stick ball. The Leber family had five boys, so they were always very welcoming for us to use their parking lot as a playground and a field, a sports field.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=144.0,183.48489"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And you would play with other neighborhood friends or siblings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=183.48489,188.5275"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, mostly friends. I was the oldest boy of three in the family and there were just lots of—seemed mostly boys on the block, very few girls. I was five blocks away from my elementary school: Sara Gilmore school in Union City, so I would walk to school along Kerrigan Avenue and the crossing guards would be there and I could pick up a chocolate éclair on the way to school from a from a grocery store and then the schoolyard—the Gilmore schoolyard—was also a gathering place for weekend meet meetups and sports and hangouts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=188.5275,242.34466"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e The Gilmore school was a public elementary school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=242.34466,247.41377"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. My mother had gone there—in fact, my mother in the 1930s and early ‘40s had some of the same teachers I had. They remembered her when she was young and when they were young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=247.41377,263.67545"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And what was your family background and where are your parents from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=263.67545,271.05537"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well both my parents were born—well my mother was born in Brooklyn, but I think that was just because of the preferred hospital at the time but they're pretty much from—my parents are both from Union City. They were very much engaged in a small Jewish community in Union City where there were several Orthodox synagogues. I mean they and their friends weren't particularly religious, but the only synagogues nearby were Orthodox and very much from an older generation. My grandparents were from—they were either born in the States or had come over very young from Eastern Europe and they go back to the Lower East Side and to Brooklyn. My extended family was mostly in New York, in Brooklyn, but probably originally from the Lower East Side. We would go there when we went to the Lower East Side for dinner or after going to Chinatown we would—my mother and my grandparents would reminisce a lot about life back then in the turn of the century.  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They tended not to be religious in nature, but you know they just tried to keep their culture intact and look forward to these things because that's the way they grew up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=383.44484,428.18323"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So you mentioned the synagogues, but it sounds like you didn't attend those synagogues, those were Orthodox.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=428.18323,432.98336"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I did. You know I went to Hebrew school but I went to one a little further north on 33rd Street in Union City, not the one—the one on 4th Street that my parents had belonged to was pretty much on the way out. The congregation had largely disappeared as families moved to the suburbs and there was a remaining synagogue on 33rd Street and New York Avenue and that's where the remaining children from my generation would go and you know, you'd start off like two days a week and then three days a week and then four days a week until you were bar mitzvahed at age thirteen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=432.98336,488.62814"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, so you were bar mitzvahed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=488.62814,491.44557"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I did it all, I did it all and the rabbi was used to seeing his charges disappear after that and he thought it wouldn't happen to me but I'm afraid I disappointed him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=491.44557,510.07368"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e So, four days a week you'd walk to elementary school then after school you'd go—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=510.07368,515.38174"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Right after school which meant that it was hard for me to play Little League or do all the other things I would prefer doing and it was a source of some resentment at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=515.38174,531.04119"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And the community was you said it was small but it was large enough to support that synagogue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=531.04119,540.959"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well it drew from you know a pretty wide area and it wasn't filled to capacity, let's say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=540.959,552.3927"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And you could stop me for skipping ahead but you said your mother taught at the yeshiva? Was that at this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=552.3927,559.22839"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e She did yeah, she did. Well my mother went to Douglas, you know Douglas College which at that time it was more independent—an independent part of Rutgers than it is now. It had its own identity and I think there was some opportunity to share classes with Rutgers students and it was kind of seen as, I don't know if it was comparable, but it had a kind of high status maybe comparable to the schools like Barnard and Vassar. Not as selective, not as expensive either but it was kind of an honors college. And she studied history and trained to be a high school history teacher and she had barely gotten started with her career after graduation when she married and had children very soon afterwards. And became a homemaker until my youngest brother was old enough to go off to college. And that's when she decided to reinstate her career and she decided—there were openings in the local yeshiva, first at the elementary school level and that was in Union City—I think New York Avenue around 26th Street or 27th Street. They didn't have a high school at the time and it's right around the mid- ‘60s that they raised the money to build a high school [Rogosin High School], and that was right off Journal Square right next to the current PATH (Port Authority Trans-Hudson, a rapid transit system) building. My mother was hired first as a history teacher there and when there was an opening for a secular principal my mother was hired to fill that position. Because the high school had two principals; there was a religious principal who was the number one person and the secular principal who administered all the secular courses and that was my mother's position, so she worked there quite a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=559.22839,711.71619"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e So the religious principal, this a rabbi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=711.71619,713.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e A rabbi, yeah. So my mom worked there oh about 15 years or so and soon after she left, the yeshiva was closed and, in fact, became briefly part of a Hudson County Community College—they took the building over. I remember as an early faculty member at Hudson going—they had a small gym—they had a basketball court which was about, maybe two-thirds regulation size but the college used that for orientation meetings. And I think it was briefly even a basketball team that used it to practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=713.0,759.40636"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was north of—at the other side of Journal Square?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=759.40636,762.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, on Cottage Street it was two blocks—it was the block after, I believe, Pavonia and I think the building's still there it's—I think it's now Jersey City or Hudson County government building but I'm not I'm not sure, I haven't checked it out in a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=762.0,781.87295"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And the money for the schools was raised by the community or were the yeshivas—because I've heard a lot about all the many Catholic elementary schools in Jersey City and the areas, but those were all associated with a parish so in this case were they associated with a synagogue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=781.87295,802.96037"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don't remember there being a particular synagogue attached to the yeshiva administratively, there was none nearby. There were a few active synagogues in Jersey City but there was a very active foundation of you know professionals, philanthropists in the community and they raised the money for it and funded it and subsidized it as time went on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=802.96037,834.99644"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And was there a corresponding school for boys—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=834.99644,838.62759"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this was co-ed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=838.62759,840.97031"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, the yeshiva—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=840.97031,844.08956"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e This was a co-ed school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=844.08956,847.35753"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I always associated the yeshiva—probably because of maybe Yeshiva University that’s, uh girls—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=847.35753,850.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, this this was co-ed and I'll tell you that even—that was where I had my first teaching job. When I completed graduate school, I myself was looking for a high school teaching job and I was living up in Boston for a while and interviewing and nothing panned out. And during that time also my father had become ill, so I moved back to be with—to be close to him and to my mom. Lived back at the family house for a while and my mom you know hired me to work at the yeshiva and that's where I had my first teaching experience; I taught American history and I also worked in the library. And it was just a—really a part-time job a couple hours a day and you know—and then just for one year and after that I learned about community colleges and made the transition. So, it was a very brief experience teaching in high school and in a religious school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=850.0,929.38873"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and the co-ed—now that I have that corrected—was that unusual to have, distinctive to have a woman principal of a school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=929.38873,942.24132"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I'm not sure even then, and maybe even today still—you know religious services are segregated between men and women in the orthodox tradition and certainly in the more religious Hasidic and other traditions of course but I don't know that it was an issue in the culture of Hudson County apart from what went on during religious services.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=942.24132,986.03811"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I did—the question did skip us ahead a little bit so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=986.03811,997.91729"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=997.91729,1000.65047"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e We should rewind back to the ‘50s. So that's your mother and growing up your father was worked [working] at the that distributor or like, the company—the family business?  Yeah he—it turns out he had married the, uh, the boss's daughter so that got him into it and when my grandfather died my father took over my—this is on Irving Street and Summit Avenue in Jersey City—Montauk Candy and Tobacco Company. And you know, my father he ran it; he wasn't terribly ambitious; he raised some eyebrows when he decided to close the business on Saturdays instead of going to work on Saturdays and eventually he would close the business on Fridays, I think in the summer just to you know, make it easier on him. Most of his friends too, they moved to the suburbs, my parents always chose to stay in Hudson County partly to be close to the business: my father didn't want a long commute, he would drive to work but he could have walked. My grandmother who worked there kept the books, she would walk oh, about two miles every day to go to work at the candy company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1000.65047,1083.91919"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And so, if we get back into that time period and the Gilmore school—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1083.91919,1090.63851"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1090.63851,1094.02274"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember teachers from the Gilmore school or experiences from there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1094.02274,1100.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah I think I remember all the teachers and I can't help but think that my own schooling made me want to be a teacher. You know I had some wonderful teachers and some not-so-wonderful teachers, but they were all, to me, interesting people and interesting characters, strong personalities. So, I think I remember them all, some of the names might not come to me right away going back that far, but yeah very vivid memories of schooling. And the school was still pretty old-fashioned, you know. I think most of the teachers there had taught there through the depression years, and you know hadn't changed their ways very much. There was a lot of rote learning of poetry and reciting poetry or speeches such as the Gettysburg Address. One of my most vivid memories was of a math teacher in seventh and eighth grade who—I remember he was struggling to make a transition to what was called the New Math [NOTE 2] and he never quite got it, so he just taught math the way he had always done it. But even so he didn't teach much math and he was mostly well known for his disciplinary strategies. So, when anybody acted up in class all he did was raise his hand with two fingers up in a v—it looked like the v sign but what that two fingers stood for was twenty-two which meant as punishment you had to write out by hand the twenty-two amendments of the Constitution. At the time there were just twenty-two and it took quite a couple—quite a few hours to do it and so we all were in dread of getting the twenty-two.  [NOTE 2: A short-lived experiment in the math curricula of Elementary schools during the late 1950s that included teaching of set theory, bases other than 10, Boolean algebra, matrices, and more.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1100.0,1235.7644"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And you'd have to do that after school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1235.7644,1239.48016"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e You did it at home, but you had to submit it the next day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1239.48016,1247.5232"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's see. So you stayed there until—that school went to seventh grade?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1247.5232,1255.12964"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Eighth grade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1255.12964,1260.39845"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Eighth grade, okay. Before the days we had the middle school or junior high—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1260.39845,1260.6106"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e There was no middle school in Hudson County at the time, I’m not sure there is now but the grammar schools as we call them, they went from kindergarten to eighth—k to eight and the high school at the time was Emerson high school. And the high schools you know, were nine through twelve. I myself didn't go to Emerson; all my grammar school friends did, it was just a few blocks away, but I went to St. Peter's Prep [Preparatory]. So, I had a Jesuit high school education, you get a sense of the ecumenical nature of my family, but St. Peter's Prep then and maybe even still now was considered to be the most desirable high school for boys in Jersey City—in Hudson County. And you know, my father especially always dreamed of his sons going there. In fact, my two brothers—younger brothers followed me and most of the time we were the only Jewish boys in the high school. There had been a few before and probably more afterwards and the school was always very accommodating and it made for an interesting experience for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1260.6106,1339.02829"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Because you would have taken religion classes there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1339.02829,1340.99413"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was excused from them as were the handful of protestant students who were there and you know they became sort of my first—this little group of about ten of us, they were the first friends I made there. Because, from the very beginning, we would be gathered with the principal who would welcome us and try to make us feel at home and explain how we'd be accommodated during religious classes. So, for us it was pretty much a library study hour that we—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1340.99413,1385.15369"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Could you opt into the religion class?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1385.15369,1387.49003"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e You could. In fact, they encouraged me to take first semester religion—freshman year because that was the study of the Old Testament. So, I said “okay, why not?” And it was very interesting to get their take on the Old Testament because the priest and—the religion classes were typically taught by a priest—the priest's approach was to look at the Old Testament in how it foreshadowed the New Testament. So therefore, whether it was Moses or the prophets in the Old Testament, were all foreshadowing the coming of Jesus and they were considered types of what was to come. But mostly you know, I found that students at prep—for good reason—didn’t take religion classes all that seriously and they were mostly filled with jokes and joshing around and kind of naughty behavior [to] try to provoke the priests into losing their temper. Which they did very quickly and also I found that the priests who were assigned religion classes at prep were not among the more gifted, serious Jesuit scholars that some of the teachers of secular classes, whether it was math or chemistry or English taught, so it was a kind of an animal house, I would say—religion classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1387.49003,1498.62514"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And one semester of Catholic religious education was enough for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1498.62514,1502.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e That was enough for me. I looked forward more to just having some time off to do my homework and then I remember on Friday mornings, first hour on Friday mornings, students would go to mass so I wouldn't have to even be at school for the first hour, I could come late on Fridays. And I also remember being told that this–that when the gathered students sang at mass—they sang various folk versions of Catholic worship—often they would work my name into the lyrics of the song and my religious background to just have a—have some fun with it. And I was fine with it, was all part of the joking around in high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1502.0,1571.28365"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you a residential student or were you commuting?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1571.28365,1575.18085"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it's all commuting, there were no residential students, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1575.18085,1580.00127"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e The time period then would be in the early ‘60s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1580.00127,1583.44202"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was there from ‘66 to ’70.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1583.44202,1586.98719"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1586.98719,1587.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know—I could begin talking about Journal Square if you want, because I would either take the number 18 bus on—I get it at 20th Street and Summit Avenue in Union City and would go all the way down to Exchange Place in Jersey City. It would take Summit Avenue to five corners and turn down Newark Avenue and go all the way to the end past Grove Street to Exchange Place and I could get off right by right by Prep. And I would do that at like 7:30 in the morning in order to get to school but the alternative was to take the Hudson Boulevard bus to Journal Square and then get on the tubes and take the tubes, now the PATH train, down to either Grove Street or Exchange Place—could be either one—and go to school that way. And that was a little more involved, but it was a nice change, and you know often I’d want to go through Journal Square for one reason or another or meet some friends in the Square on the way to school and we'd go down together. So, that was one facet of my experience of Journal Square: taking it sometimes as an alternative going to school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1587.0,1679.86698"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Were they newly opened, the tubes, at that point? I didn't—I wasn't sure when they were opened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1679.86698,1686.85707"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, the tubes I don't know how far back they go but they go back aways. [NOTE 3] Um you know, probably I think my parents would even use them when they were young to get to New York once in a while and this was before the PATH building went up. I think the PATH building was built in the in the mid-to-late ‘60s. Took a couple years but when it went up, boy it was really a—just a beautiful, beautiful building. A skyscraper! Our own skyscraper, as it were, and you know the—being in Journal Square then, before the building went up, was very different feeling. To get to the tube station you'd have to walk down a kind of an arcade alley filled with fast food restaurants and inexpensive clothing stores and there'd be an opening much like some New York subway stations are now, just like a little shed. And you go into the shed and there would be the stairway to go down to the platform. [NOTE 3: The rail lines and tunnels known today as the PATH began service between Jersey City and lower Manhattan in 1909. This service was originally named the Hudson and Manhattan Railroad and later known as the H\u0026M Hudson Tubes.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1686.85707,1765.50831"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I've heard about this arcade. That's the one that's directly across from the entrance to the Loew’s, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1765.50831,1773.00087"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly, yeah. And you know that whole empty lot now was just filled with small businesses. The most memorable one for me was right on the corner of that arcade alley and Kennedy Boulevard and—maybe you've heard of this from others—the Orange Julius, uh, the Orange Julius was a chain restaurant that specialized in kind of an early version of a smoothie, but it was a drink made with orange juice and sugar and some frothy, you know, substance. And it would be whipped up in a blender and it was basically sweetened orange juice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1773.00087,1820.10034"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I remember those still being around in the malls in Long Island when I was growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1820.10034,1825.08417"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I understand they're still around somewhere. I think they were bought by Dairy Queen so it could be that some Dairy Queens still serve Orange Julius but haven't been in a Dairy Queen in a while. And there were a number of um, you know—hot dogs were especially popular still in Journal Square. The Boulevard Grill, I think it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1825.08417,1853.05459"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1853.05459,1854.58088"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Boulevard Drinks, it's called Boulevard Drinks. Their hot dogs are—their hot dogs are famous. People go back there, you know they're devoted to them, you know. And there's something different about them, something about the crunch, something about the burst of flavor you get from them that makes them distinctive. And there were a couple other hot dog places and pizza places on that arcade heading to the—from the boulevard to the to the tube station.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1854.58088,1881.40561"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I noticed one in the picture from there was “the five guys from Italy” or “three guys from Italy” and they're still—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1881.40561,1887.88263"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1887.88263,1890.13211"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e They moved—okay it's gone. I didn't realize they had such a long history there. So, for high school you had—there was 1966, was there some influence of the counterculture or these social things in the ‘60s on the—on St. Peter’s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1890.13211,1910.76311"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. You know, St. Peter’s had a long tradition of being, you know, a builder of men in a very American sense. Almost as if, you know, it was a preparation to go to a military academy. In fact, my father had dreams of me going to West Point, right. Partly because it was free but you know it's something that his generation dreamed about for their sons. This was pre-Vietnam but I was never going to be one to go there. In fact, most—most kids, most graduates from St. Peter’s would probably go to St. Peter’s college right. But you know not everybody of course, and the thing about–and along with their kind of traditional reputation it was you know very strict and very upright and this is apart from the classical education that we got there. The teachers were known as disciplinarians, and there were stories about you know teachers and students having to having to—to fight out their differences in the gym right. There were stories about—every crack in the wall had a story associated with some student getting knocked into the wall by a tough teacher, you know, who was disciplining some roustabout. But this is all before my time and it was something that the school was very proud of but when I got there in the late—mid-to-late ‘60s, times were different, times were changing. We were in the very beginnings of the counterculture, and the Vietnam protests, and part of the prep experience for me was a—one of rebellion. Prep also being on the PATH train was just a few minutes from the village and it was very common for me and my friends to uh—against the rules—change, to our street clothes in the locker room. We were supposed to commute to and from school with our jackets and ties but we would get changed to our bell bottom jeans and t-shirts, get on the PATH train go to the Village [Greenwich Village] , and do things in the heart of the Village that were, you know very, very different from what prep wanted us to be doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=1910.76311,2098.48733"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And what was going on there? Some music performances or just…?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2098.48733,2107.73217"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well daytime, you know going to head shops, going to bookstores. For me and my friends going to art films, you know there were so many art houses in the village to see the latest films coming from from Ingmar Bergman or François Truffaut or Godard. They were a big influence on me and we would love to go to ethnic restaurants. The Indian restaurants, they were very exotic—at the time some of —this is also a time where the Chinese restaurants were making the transition to being quite a bit better and more authentic with Szechuan restaurants coming in, so we loved doing that. And you know if we were staying through dinner into the evening there was music, there were the nightclubs, the Electric Circus, the Fillmore East that was all part of my late teenage years. Of course, I always felt a little out of place because I had to keep a short haircut at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2107.73217,2185.04243"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, for the school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2185.04243,2186.8542"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because of school, yeah there were very strict rules about hair length so uh it was it was a constant source of tension in school between students who wanted to grow their hair and being caught with hair that was too long and being told that they were suspended, or you know their parents would be told that you know we'd have to get haircuts if we wanted to stay in school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2186.8542,2220.08217"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And at this point you're in high school, you're all—how did age and ID—people didn't—you just go into clubs and do things in the Village?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2220.08217,2230.01185"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well you know not everything was you know, involved drinking and some people did, that was why they went to New York, but the liquor—the drinking age in New York was eighteen at the time, New Jersey was twenty-one, and you know a lot of us could pass for eighteen and a lot of businesses back then really were oblivious to the age restrictions so it was very easy to be served in New York, especially if you were at a restaurant and you wanted to have a beer or some wine with a meal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2230.01185,2267.36661"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I was thinking even just getting into venues, they didn't care about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2267.36661,2270.34298"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it was never a problem.  RECORDING INTERRUPTED","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2270.34298,2285.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e So we're talking about the mood, and how things were at St. Peter's Prep, and this influence of this cultural change on the traditions of St. Peter’s and the people around the school—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2285.0,2306.20001"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well I mean St. Peter’s had a, I think, had a pretty strong influence on me and between my grammar school experience which, as I mentioned, was very, very positive, very interesting, and I've always you know gravitated toward my teachers. I was fond of them, I mean some I couldn't stand although you know I found them to be fascinating at the same time. And that kind of carried through at St. Peter’s and you know I left St. Peter’s pretty much deciding I wanted to be a teacher. So I think it was real formative in terms of the direction of my life","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2306.20001,2359.02031"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Are there particular teachers that stand out in your memory as mentors or influences?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2359.02031,2364.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, definitely, yeah. A couple I stayed in touch with–one actually was an adjunct at the college for quite a while and I would be in touch with them there. The classes, you know because I became an English teacher, that was really what I wanted. The English classes were quite collegiate in nature, you know, we wouldn't be buying a textbook, we would just be reading paperback versions of great books, poetry anthologies. And the same thing is true of the history courses, they were very much like what a college history course would have been. And there was one particular history teacher who formed kind of a circle around him and pretty much my best friends would be and were all in the history honors class and he would encourage our trips to New York. In fact I remember he had an Italian sports car—I don't know how he afforded it on his prep salary—and we would all pile into it, and he'd take us to New York and you know show us things that otherwise we wouldn't have known about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2364.0,2469.92952"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And I’m guessing he was not a Jesuit? A secular teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2469.92952,2473.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Not a Jesuit, no. But some of the some of the Jesuits were very, very progressive and very counterculture. I remember in freshman year there was a Jesuit in training who started yoga classes at St. Peter's and we had a book called Yoga for Catholics, so I remember going to school early and meeting in one of the buildings for a brief yoga session before classes began. But all this was very much against the grain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2473.0,2514.36423"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's way ahead of the curve when it comes to yoga in the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2514.36423,2519.60397"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes it was. You know, I try–I’ve long lost that book but I’ve tried to find a copy and I haven't been able to even identify the title exactly. My memory was Yoga for Catholics but I think I’m wrong because otherwise it would have shown up on a used book outlets. But I do remember that the guided meditations all related to the Trinity and you know the Blessed Virgin and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2519.60397,2557.54772"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And the neighborhood around St. Peter's—since we've moved into the city, you were trying to hang out in the city, what type of neighborhood is that like, where St. Peter's Prep was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2557.54772,2571.33028"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well it wasn't that much different from where I was living in Union City, you know mostly residential—I mean Newark Avenue was the big commercial street there and the surrounding streets would have some candy stores, a whole bunch of gin mills that Hudson county seemed to you know sprout up everywhere, and it still seemed very depression era: the way it looked, the way it felt. The people in Hudson County at the time for the most part were very provincial and couldn't see any reason to go into New York, which was always very odd, but it was well known especially Hobokenites, you know. Hobokenites right across the river, I remember being in so many conversations where I heard adults—I was a kid saying “why would anybody want to go there?” You know why I’m going to go there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2571.33028,2643.40227"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Across into the city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2643.40227,2645.95587"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Into the city, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2645.95587,2649.46186"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and the role of Journal Square then it was more like where you had—it wasn't the place you would go to hang out [because] it was too similar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2649.46186,2661.1306"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e You know it was a place to go to the movies and you know the three classic theaters were really important to me growing up. Starting maybe when I was ten or so my parents were very encouraging for me to be independent: take the bus by myself just about anywhere and the big Hollywood releases wouldn't typically be in the local theaters near our house. I mean there was a movie theater on Summit Avenue around Seventeenth Street called the Summit, another small theater called the Lincoln on Thirty-second Street in Union City also, but they would pretty much have the second run films. I remember seeing Vincent Price movies there: Vincent Price's versions of Edgar Allen Poe films The Pit and the Pendulum or The Masque of the Red Death, those films. But when the big Hollywood films were released in Hudson County, we would see them in Journal Square and I remember going to the Stanley Theater, which is now the Jehova’s Witness assembly hall. That was our favorite theater. I’m not sure why, it just it just seemed like I would be there three or four times for every time I went to the Loew’s or the State [Theater]. The State was the most modest of the three; it was big but it was hardly ornate or particularly distinctive, and the Loew’s was probably the grandest overall. But for some reason the Stanley was our go-to theater, and I associate the Stanley with these long Hollywood epics that I just loved. I mean there was no movie that was too long for me—the longer the better, because I just loved to disappear into these films and find myself just transported to another world and the longer it lasted, the better. So three hours, four hours, it was all fine with me. So I remember seeing in the Stanley The Alamo. Again, it was probably a four hour epic with John Wayne and Richard Widmark. The Longest Day, which was well-titled because The Longest Day told the story of the D-day landings, again a John Wayne film with a cast of thousands. Uh Mutiny on the Bounty, the one with Marlon Brando and Trevor Howard, I saw that at the Stanley and these films, they were glorious in color and, for the time, they also had really magnificent expanded soundtracks that the theaters were pretty much geared up to bring to life. Not like today, you know this is a pre-Dolby age, there was no surround sound as it were, but still the grandeur of these films seemed to thrive in these big, old, um cathedral-like theaters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2661.1306,2884.93766"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Where was the 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right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2888.0,2900.58905"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2900.58905,2907.5033"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e But instead of going into Bergen Avenue, it turns right and that's where there's, I’m not sure what's there now–the trust company building is there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2907.5033,2916.29701"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2916.29701,2918.19063"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e And it would turn right and there's now a street of stores, you know retail stores, and there's a dollar store on the left side of the street and I’m almost certain that the dollar store—it's a big store, it's probably the length of four smaller retail stores, and I’m almost certain that that's where they demolished the state and replaced it with a dollar store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2918.19063,2949.44352"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there's a parking lot over there, an entrance to a parking 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movies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2958.26859,2969.48872"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, movies were the greatest, you know. In a way that, for me, they aren't anymore, you know. We don't go as often, post-pandemic anyway, and they just don't have the magic that they had then that was enhanced by the theater experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2969.48872,2991.26773"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, just the idea that there were so many that you had three there and I knew about those of course, but then it's surprising to hear “oh but there was two local ones in Union City, as well.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=2991.26773,3001.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, yeah, and one of the big differences was all the small local theaters they always had double bills. So you would go to see two movies, not one and in between there'd be a lot of short features: cartoons or advertising things, even newsreels, you know. Sometimes you go to a movie about the 1930s or the 1940s and the movie would incorporate a news reel about the war as part of the film, as part of the narrative. I remember seeing news reels when I was very, very young, maybe when I was seven or eight and you'd catch up with the news of the day when you went to the movies and during the halftime between the two films, they'd run these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3001.0,3057.59084"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That half time makes me think of looking at The Alamo, was there an intermission in this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3057.59084,3061.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, a lot of them had intermissions because they were very long and typically—that's right. usually there'd be a musical interlude. I mean they'd play music from the score on a blank screen or on a screen where there'd be a curtain, just a filmed curtain that would close and then the filmed curtain would open up again and the second part of the film would begin, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3061.0,3093.39931"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah the only movie I’ve seen that has that is Lawrence of Arabia—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3093.39931,3096.5743"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Lawrence of Arabia, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3096.5743,3098.25647"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Which they preserve on the modern DVDs of the movie and I was thinking that must have been–it must have not been the only movie that did that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3098.25647,3106.11648"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, it was a tradition, these long films. And they were probably, I would think that even then, the refreshment concessions at the theaters were a main source of income. Nowadays supposedly that's where all the profit is in the theaters, but it was probably true then and it was a time to get up and buy a drink, and buy popcorn, and–I remember Snow Caps and Raisinets were my favorite for movie candy and Good \u0026 Plenty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3106.11648,3147.54788"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Those three have endured.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3147.54788,3155.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I just—one of the memory of movies. The last movie I remember seeing in Journal Square, and this was I’m pretty sure at the State, but I saw Star Wars, the original Star Wars, 1977 was it? Right around then, and I think that was the last movie I saw in Journal Square and well I think all three theaters were closing down soon after that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3155.0,3193.67524"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e What did you think of Star Wars? Do you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3193.67524,3197.27573"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh wow it was wonderful and it was magical, the special effects and it was very vivid—still is very vivid in my memory, except my memory, I realize, it's not as good as it ought to be because I saw recently the original Star Wars, renamed something else to put it in the sequence of all the Star Wars films so it has a new title now. But it's basically the first film with Princess Leia and Harrison Ford and Alec Guinness, right and it just seemed hokey to me. It just didn't have the heroic power and the kind of storytelling magnificence that I remember being impressed by when I first saw it. So you know, Hollywood’s upped its game in terms of big screen spectaculars compared to the first Star Wars. I have one other movie memory, it doesn't involve Journal Square so much, but close by in McGinley Square there was a theater, and it was called The Pix, and this was a little kind of Jersey City neighborhood theater. And I was living in Jersey City at the time and I went there—it wasn't the best place to see it, but I went there to see 2001: A Space Odyssey, which was a film that really deserved the big screen approach, and the sound system, and everything else, and I remember, I think it may have been the second time I saw, it—I might have seen it previously, but I went to see it again there. It could have been the first time, but I knew a lot about it, and I was just about the only person in the audience, you know it was not a movie that would have attracted a local crowd, and it was the last show of the night. It was okay to see it there, but I remember that the projectionist evidently wanted to go home early because it was getting to be eleven o'clock or eleven thirty and the guy decided to shut down the film before that fetal image was fully up on the screen. He just stopped it prematurely to say “Okay we're done, go home” and boy that burned me up because I knew, I knew what I was missing and I was ready for this ending and to be haunted by it, instead it was awful. I remember trying to contact the company to complain about the projection that night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3197.27573,3401.26244"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was in, I think it came out in the late ‘60s, right? ‘67 or ‘68? Or maybe this is a later run of the movie?  [Note 4: “2001: A Space Odyssey” was released in 1968.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3401.26244,3407.97835"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I’m not–yeah I guess it was maybe closer to 1970, I’m not sure. I guess I couldn't have been living in Jersey City at that time though, but I know where it was, it was in the Pix, somehow I ended up there to see this film,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3407.97835,3433.41821"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e But to jump back to our chronology, so we're in high school, some of the stories have jumped forward, but you were in high school in St. Peter’s, so you started to think about college and what were you looking or how did that process work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3433.41821,3459.27473"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well can I just go back to some high school memories?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3459.27473,3463.69925"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3463.69925,3464.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Another Journal Square regular event I remember, whenever we went to a high school football game and—the St. Peter’s had its football games at the time in Roosevelt Stadium where Society Hill is now on Route 440. It was a big, again a stadium must have been built in the 1920s, and that's where the high school team played its—they didn't practice there but they played their games there and either before the game or after the game we would go to Journal Square. There was a diner right by the—right where the entrance is, where the buses pull in on Sip Avenue into the PATH station terminal, and right there, there was an old diner and that's where we would always go for lunch, or for drinks, or a pie and coffee typically before a football game and then we would take the bus from there to Roosevelt Stadium together. So I remember always gathering in there in conjunction with going to high school football games and also the Journal Square—one of the other important things from that period in Journal Square were the Chinese restaurants. Because there were a number of neighborhood restaurants and throughout Hudson County, the two—there were two in Journal Square that were kind of really for special occasions or at least it seemed so at the time. The Canton Tea Garden, which was on Bergen Avenue right above the—what's the name of the chicken place on—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3464.0,3601.77673"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Popeye’s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3601.77673,3602.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Popeye’s, yeah right. Kind of on the second floor where Popeye’s is and we often had family dinners there for special occasions and then there was another, fancier restaurant called the Jade, and the Jade was on the boulevard across from the State Theater right where there's a, like, I think it's called Strawberry Clothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3602.0,3633.67456"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah it used to be a Duane Reade or CVS.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3633.67456,3637.12675"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah exactly—that's right where it was, the Duane Reade or the Strawberry right in that area somewhere along that strip and I remember going to that one after a junior prom. But usually my family went to the Canton.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3637.12675,3658.42792"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah I’ve heard someone else mention that too, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3658.42792,3662.80405"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and the food wasn't special, I mean they were basically chow mein parlors, but that's how Chinese restaurants were: if you wanted better Chinese food, more authentic Chinese food, you had to go into New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3662.80405,3673.36574"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e But it was a big place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3673.36574,3675.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Especially the Jade [Chinese restaurant], yeah, yeah. And kind of fancier, you know it had vinyl dinette sets with swivel chairs in it and booths, things like that. Whereas the Canton Tea Garden, it was more of, like a Formica table place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3675.0,3702.77564"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e What were your group of friends like, the group that you would go to the diner with? This is the group that was up for seeing art movies and going into the city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3702.77564,3713.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Not really, well not necessarily. I mean my closest circle of friends, um you know several have passed on, but the ones I’m closest to, I still see, right, and they were more, how can I put it? More cultured, more into the counter culture of the late ‘60s, we all listened to WBAI [radio station], and went to the Fillmore, and found more to do in New York than simply trying to do underage drinking, you know. And for the most part they went to top-notch colleges, and worked in universities, and became teachers and professors and—but I had different circles of friends. The ones I would meet in Journal Square, going to the football games probably they were a different crowd, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3713.0,3803.75138"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you involved in things in high school: sports or activities or clubs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3803.75138,3809.62135"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Not that much. I remember being in the chess club for a while and liking chess and finding it kind of fascinating. What discouraged me was when I learned that if you were serious about chess you had to do all this memorization of openings and to me, when I played chess back then–or even today–from the very beginning you're improvising. You're trying to figure out moves, and I never quite fit into that chess culture where the first ten or twelve moves of any game were kind of rote and automatic and you knew where it was going and you knew them; you knew the blunders that you could fall into and often I fell into them not realizing that I was giving the game away right at the beginning by making these mistakes because I hadn't cared about memorizing chess openings. I was on the high school tennis team for a while. I wasn't one of the competitive players. I was kind of a backup player, and I don't think I ever got into a match that counted toward the outcome. I’d be mostly practicing while the better players on the team were playing the matches that counted, the competitive matches. But we used to play across from NJCU—Audubon Park on Kennedy Boulevard in Jersey City. In fact, the only time I got mugged was during a tennis tournament at Audubon Park, and I was in one of the more distant practice tennis courts just playing against a wall, and some Jersey City toughs decided to pick on a prep kid which, you know was understandable, and they roughed me up a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3809.62135,3953.10725"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it to take your money or just to bother you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3953.10725,3955.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they just wanted to scare me I think, and beat up somebody, and they did. I had a few bruises, and I got over the trauma pretty quickly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3955.0,3970.93739"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Did anything happen with that? That's not the sort of thing that you'd call the police about in high school, or was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3970.93739,3977.53656"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know. I mean I ended up running away from them, and I remember running into, right into the net during one of the real matches. So they said, “what's going on here?” And I had a torn shirt, and I was a little—I had a bloodied nose, and the coach was there, and the coach ran over, and I think they might have—they might have called the police who took a statement. I don't know that they spent much time trying to hunt down the culprits. But this was, I think, on the weekend so when I went back to school on Monday, everybody knew about it, and came up to me, and asked how I was, and you know I tried to be cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=3977.53656,4033.3051"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's see. So other things in high school or I guess at some point you're thinking about what comes next in high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4033.3051,4045.27576"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh you mean moving on from high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4045.27576,4050.02844"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4050.02844,4051.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I moved away, I went to Oberlin College in Ohio. I didn't even want to go to any New York schools because I wanted to move away, I wanted to be away from home and pretty much I left New Jersey, left Hudson County, and I said to myself “I didn't want to come back, I wanted to be out in the world somewhere.” I was in Ohio from my undergraduate years, I was in Chicago for graduate school. I had always loved New England; I always had a special feeling for New England, and I always pictured myself living in New England. Not in Boston so much, but maybe in one of the Boston suburbs. You know I was very much taken with Henry David Thoreau, and Emerson, and living and working near Walden Pond seemed like a fantastic, fantastic thing to do whether it's in Lexington or Concord, that area. So I didn't move [read: moved] to Boston for a year and that's where I looked for a teaching job, but it didn't work out, and because of family circumstances—I talked about this earlier, I think—I ended up moving back to Union City, Jersey City, getting to work right in Journal Square, and settling into the job, and being very happy there, and reconnecting with my earlier life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4051.0,4164.85874"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e This is at—well first at the high school, at the yeshiva that you mentioned?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4164.85874,4169.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, first there and then I taught at Essex County College for a year. I was living in Jersey City, and then working at the college right in Journal Square I was kind of back in my old childhood haunts, and I felt very much at home, and eventually moved to nearby suburb, to Maplewood. But commuting into Jersey City every day, right into Journal Square. And when I first started at the [Hudson Country Community] college in 1979, the college didn't really have a building in Journal Square proper. The building where I worked, and where all the teaching took place, was on Kennedy Boulevard in an old school that had been called Jersey City Academy High School at 2737 Kennedy Boulevard. It’s still there I think maybe last time I passed it they might be in the process of rebuilding it into condominiums, but I’m not sure. But that's where I first started working, that's where the college began as an independent institution. And you know we had our classrooms there, and a teacher's lounge, and some shared office space, and a very tight community of teachers that became lifelong friends. And apart from that, the other building the college had is at the building which is now on 168 Sip Avenue right next to the big parking lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4169.0,4261.1933"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4261.1933,4297.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e And that's getting closer to Journal Square, but that was the administrative building and that's where the president was, and the registrar, and the financial aid office and they didn't even have classes there, so it was a very small operation and it was not in Journal Square proper. But then when the college grew enough to need more space they started moving right into Journal Square, first to Bergen Avenue and they leased two buildings on Bergen Avenue. One right near where the. One was on the corner of Newkirk and Bergen on the second floor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4297.0,4346.06042"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4346.06042,4347.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Right there—near that corner and that's where they put up a library and tutoring center, and across the street, on that same block, on the western side of the street was an administrative building and there was a suite of offices that became a presidential suite, and the top administrators from the college. And the next big step after that was when the college bought the old public service building at 25 Journal Square. 26?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4347.0,4385.62928"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Think it’s 25.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4385.62928,4388.36285"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e 25 Journal Square yeah, and that became the anchor building of the college and eventually I ended up with an office in that building and did most of my teaching in that building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4388.36285,4401.38953"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And that had been the public service utility?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4401.38953,4406.19128"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah it was public service that's right. and I knew—I had family friends who worked there as clerks and my parents remember going there to pay their electricity bills, their gas bills.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4406.19128,4425.06819"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, You have these buildings out there have had many lives. Where that building is now its planned to become a museum part of the Pompidou Center—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4425.06819,4436.49815"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I tell you, I was tickled to—so many people were—to think of that building becoming you know Pompidou West. It just seemed so unbelievable, and I remember being very eager to send friends far and wide newspaper clippings about the announcement and they were just astonished. I had heard by the way that the Pompidou Centre in Paris has—they have a lot of satellite museums throughout Europe mostly and maybe some in Asia, and this would be yet another one but I had read that, I think maybe because of the pandemic, this was the only acquisition that the Pompidou didn't send out a team to check it out in person. And if that's the case it explains a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4436.49815,4507.18699"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well the building has good bones but all around it is a construction site or an empty lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4507.18699,4512.82468"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well, you know I don't want to second guess their decisions and I've no idea how it's going to work out, but it just does seem really incongruous for this to be happening, and boy you know I hope it does and I hope it's a great success, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4512.82468,4529.2561"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e So you had gone to Oberlin, you went there to—knowing you were going to study English or history?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4529.2561,4535.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah I was an English major from the beginning and then you know, being pretty serious about my education I didn't think at all about getting education credits while I was an undergraduate, I figured I would do that later. So from there I went to the University of Chicago and I was enrolled in their MAT program, which was half graduate English courses and half education courses and student teaching, so it was a way of getting a master's degree in English but at the same time getting teacher's credentials and it was, again, mostly toward getting a high school job and that's where I did my student teaching: in Chicago Heights High School out south of Chicago. And at the time I don't think I'd ever heard the phrase community college. I didn't know what they were, I didn't know where they were, I always thought that if I were interested in college teaching I would just, by definition, need to be in a PhD program and I didn't really want to do that. I was more aiming toward getting a high school job and when I when I learned that in New Jersey at the time, still is the case, that you could be hired at the community colleges with a master's degree, it was a great revelation to me and changed my life,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4535.0,4641.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And that was at the very beginning of the community college movement in 1979–would be pretty close to the beginnings of the college itself, the Hudson County Community College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4641.0,4650.74514"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4650.74514,4654.40556"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e So you were away for that era and then you were in Boston for a while, for a little bit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4654.40556,4659.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was living—by the way it was a great year, I was mostly doing odd jobs. I remember my hope was—and it worked out for a while—was to get a job in a bookstore, and I worked in a Harvard Square bookstore called Reading International for about six months and it was a terrific bookstore right in the heart of Harvard Square. Unfortunately, they hit hard times, and they laid off some people. I was laid off along with some of the other workers there and after that I didn't know how much longer I'd be in Boston, so I went to temp agencies and I got some temp jobs to just get me through the year while I was interviewing for potential high school jobs. But I was living in the Fenway, just like two blocks from Fenway Park, and this was a time when—I know we're off the subject here but I'm reminiscing—this was a time when you could, on the day of a game, go to Fenway Park, and just buy tickets for the bleachers, and get in and I used to do that all the time. And I was also a few blocks from not only the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, but also the Gardner Museum, and the Gardner Museum became like a second home. It was just two blocks away and it was free during the week. On the weekends it was about a dollar to get in, but on any given day of the week if I wanted to pass some time I could just walk to the Gardner, go in, and I got to know the collection really, really well and became a kind of a real landmark for me in terms of important museums. Museums have always been important to me, and the Gardner has always been a favorite.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4659.0,4784.98713"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I interviewed Joe Colicchio. He was in—he mentioned Harvard Square and was in that area around the same time, have you ever talked to him about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4784.98713,4795.427"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you know I've reminisced a lot with Joe mostly about Jersey City because I know he went to Hudson Catholic and we shared some—there were a couple teachers that had taught at Hudson Catholic and then later went to went to Prep, and I kind of knew them as well and some of them taught at the college, but I don't know much about his Boston days. I know he went to college in New England.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4795.427,4828.66377"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, or he–yeah kind of. He did a correspondence course but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4828.66377,4835.13755"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4835.13755,4836.99707"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e It's just he had similar thing where he was drawn—he wanted to check out Boston, maybe live there and he mentioned a similar idea of this vibe of Harvard Square seemed to have been in the air for a certain type of someone who's interested in like literature and English and that mood. Yeah so, the ‘70s, the layoffs that would have been like that time period with this recession the mid-‘70s right? Was that related to that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4836.99707,4870.35307"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember how the economy was doing in terms of looking for work. I just do know that I thought it would be easier to get a high school job than it was. Especially the teaching in suburban Boston high schools was a very competitive field. It was tough. They were tough to get in because they were very good school systems. They had lots of lots of interested people getting hired there a lot of—sure when they had a search they were probably very competitive. I remember going through five or six pretty challenging interviews so it was a period for me of a little uncertainty, and figuring out where I was going to go, and how to get settled, but overall it was really only a year or two between that and my early experience coming back and teaching for that one year in the yeshiva. It was a very brief period of being kind of at loose ends compared to what people expect today it's often a much longer thing. For me, by the time I was twenty-four I was teaching in a—twenty-four/twenty-five, I was teaching in the community colleges first at Essex and then at Hudson and that was the start of a lifelong career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4870.35307,4989.18033"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e So the move back to Jersey City you said it was because your father was ill, is that it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4989.18033,4992.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, my father, he was diagnosed with leukemia when he was forty-five—and he managed to get quite a few good years in after that—and so I wanted to be near home, near my mom. My father he—we had that little business in Jersey City, and he decided to sell it and enjoy himself, and he and my mom hadn't traveled to Europe so they went on a couple European trips. One year they rented a trailer and they traveled all over the United States, so he enjoyed that. But he was very restless, he wanted to work. He ended up with a series of jobs that really weren't—probably his doctors probably would not have recommended. He was a mail handler in the Jersey City post office for a while, a very physical job. Interestingly, he got to be friends with some of my high school classmates working in the Jersey City post office which was a funny thing for us. And—because he would keep me informed about how some of them were doing. And then he passed away in 1977. His last year is—one thing I think I mentioned before: how he had wanted me to go to West Point, partly because it was free and he just thought it would be a great thing to get a free education and he really enjoyed freebies of all sorts, and he was a World War II vet so he ended up spending a lot of time in the VA hospital in East Orange and, in fact, he died there. But he was always pleased as could be to get free medical care through the VA and it was something he enjoyed, felt very gratified about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=4992.0,5135.71541"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was wondering about West Point, if there was any family connection to the military but in those days almost everyone—loads of the men you grew up around would have served in the war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5135.71541,5147.65096"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e You know I have to say that none of my close friends served, which probably would have meant going to Vietnam. And we all went to college, we all had college deferments, and there was a time when I was considering leaving college, probably temporarily, and I got some draft counseling and because I had a low draft number—you know the draft was at the time a lottery—and I had a low lottery number, and I was pretty much assured that I would have been drafted and probably shipped to Vietnam. All things considered I changed my mind and went back to school, so I returned—I took some time off, but not enough to be a leave of absence from college. So, I knew—I've known a lot of Vietnam vets, over the years, but they were not among my close friends at the time whereas my father's generation almost they all served in World War II and always enjoyed talking about it. They—none of them, none of the ones I knew about who were friends of the family had, except for one cousin, none of them I think had especially traumatic combat experiences. So, they were very talkative, they reminisced, were they had scrapbooks of their service, and loved to share them with family and friends, and again it was very formative for them. I did have one uncle who was a bomber pilot, went down in Germany, and was in a prisoner of war camp in Germany, and lost most of his fingertips to frostbite during that experience. So, whenever we shook hands it was always a very visceral reminder of what he went through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5147.65096,5290.86473"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's an uncle?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5290.86473,5292.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e An uncle yeah. He was not a first uncle, actually probably he was like an uncle because he was really a cousin of my father. So, he was my father's age but technically a cousin. But my whole generation of friends and close acquaintances used college deferments to not serve. You know and if we had been called it would have been a tough decision what to do. How to resist and what that would have meant for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5292.0,5336.06536"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e With the World War II and the veterans, did you grow up with an awareness of the Holocaust and understanding that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5336.06536,5346.05885"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a strange thing because I don't remember ever hearing from family members about anyone that they knew in Europe who had been lost or gone through the Holocaust personally. My grandparents’ generation pretty much immigrated to the United States in the 1890s when there was a big wave of Jewish immigrants, and they were part of it. And there might have been distant relatives who remained, such that they were caught up in the Holocaust. But I've asked my mother—my mother is a historian, not an academic historian, but she loves history and she's often been frustrated because she's been unable to really reconstruct the older generations before her own great grandparents. Grandparents I should say, my great grandparents and she doesn't really—she was never told where the family roots were specifically. We could never identify, never mind shtetl [note 5], we couldn't even identify what countries people were in, where they were. They're all—I'm almost certain they're all from Eastern Europe, from the Russian-Polish border, or Romania, or Hungary. But exactly where I don't know, and my mother would be the source for that, and she doesn't even know, and she's tried. You know, it's possible now with all the ancestry tools and research possibilities that are on the internet and services that provide it might be an easier time but she hasn't taken that route. So, my family was always seemed like all-American to me, even connections they were really a very light connection to Israel. You know certainly nothing very strong. We didn't know anyone who lived in Israel, and you know maybe we'd hear of somebody now and then, a friend of a friend kind of thing, but we were—I've always felt like we were just an all-American family.  [Note 5: Yiddish term for the small towns with predominantly Ashkenazi Jewish populations.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5346.05885,5531.39949"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And so, we have 1977-79 you said you're living, at some point, in the house with your parents but you had an apartment around Journal Square?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5531.39949,5543.50363"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I lived—well, when I moved back from Boston I lived home for about six months or so and then I lived in two apartments in Jersey City. The first one was on—was it Williams Avenue? I'm trying to remember—I know the name of it, it’s just not coming to me right now. It's closer to where NJCU is, kind of right between the boulevard and west side and I lived there for a year in a small apartment house and then I moved closer to the square. I moved to Jewett Avenue which is just a couple blocks from where my work at the college was on Kennedy Boulevard—2737 Kennedy Boulevard. It was like a four block walk to work and that's where I lived with my wife when we first got married. We lived on Jewett Avenue between the boulevard and west side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5543.50363,5640.27287"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And did you have a sense that there had been big changes in that neighborhood or in the city since you had left?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5640.27287,5648.72884"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well since leaving, yeah, but at the time I felt like all the years I lived in Jersey City and Union City we were kind of stuck in time. I feel like it could have been 1930, you know from the—there was no construction, I mean. All the residential areas were packed with houses that had been built earlier in the century and you know some of them might have been fixed up inside but from the outside they probably looked very much the same as they did in 1925. And the businesses seemed to be pretty much—they're the in the same line of things. Jersey, you know, the waves of new immigrants—most of the immigration I would say would have been from Latin America at the time, certainly in Union City. But Jersey City you know since then has been really marked by waves of Asian immigrants but that was something that I would say wasn't really that noticeable to me until after I had left maybe in the 1980’s. In terms of the changing businesses and the changing populations of the schools, of course I you know I did live with it working at the college, as I saw the student body change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5648.72884,5765.22939"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and then the Egyptian community growing around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5765.22939,5767.66205"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well the churches were bought up and the Korean community got churches, and the Filipino community came in, so all that was during my work years rather than my earlier years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5767.66205,5784.79147"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And early then, when you were back started working there, the Loew’s and Stanley were probably shut down or close to it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5784.79147,5792.14381"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know, I think the shutdowns happened after I moved away. I'm almost sure that they were—all three theaters were still open and working by the time I graduated high school. So, it was probably sometime in the 1970’s, early ‘80s that all three theaters were either lost or transformed into something different. You know I've never been in the Stanley—the Jehovah's Witness assembly hall there. I understand they do give tours and I've kind of wanted to go and see it, but boy, from what I understand—have you have you been in it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5792.14381,5843.35725"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5843.35725,5844.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, from what I understand they've really maintained it beautifully and some of the theatrical elements of it, I think, are still in place in terms of the fantastic archways and the moldings and—the Stanley had this ceiling that was famous for looking like the night sky with stars in the ceiling lit up, and they had some effect of clouds drifting across the sky. If you went to the movies and you looked up—took your eyes off the screen, you looked up you would see the stars and you would be able to make out these drifting clouds. How they did it, I never knew but it was one of the inviting features of the Stanley and something that made it special.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5844.0,5901.26461"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And it seems enormous on the outside, it was one big venue and you'd have that large a crowd?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5901.26461,5905.58824"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you know thinking back now, I'm almost certain that the State Theater, unlike the others, the State Theater was subdivided into a multiplex but I don't believe the Stanley or the Loew’s were, I could be wrong about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5905.58824,5927.13094"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the Stanley [read: Loew’s] was because there's a—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5927.13094,5929.70997"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e it's possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5929.70997,5930.53392"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Friends of the Loew’s Preservation and they have pictures of mid-renovation of them tearing down these dividers where they just slapped a divider down the middle of this nice little theater for that period when it was a multiplex. So then with the teaching, there's different phases there. I find when we get to people talking about their careers they just said “and then I worked there,” but obviously there's different phases of your life and things that happen in there.   Were there changes in what you taught, or in your role at the college, or things you got involved with and stepped away from that stand out?  Yeah well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5930.53392,5971.00926"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e “and then I worked there,” but obviously there's different phases of your life and things that   Were there changes in what you taught, or in your role at the college, or things you got involved with and stepped away from that stand out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5971.00926,5981.65647"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e in there.  Yeah.  Yeah well, the early years of the college as far as teaching went—when I was hired at the college, it wasn't a college, it was a commission: Hudson County Community College Commission and I was among the first faculty who were hired to be college faculty, as such. Because the college's mission had been to place students at other county institutions, at Jersey City State College at the time, Saint Peter's College, or at Stevens Tech and, depending on what students were majoring in, if they were business majors they would go, I believe, to Saint Peter's. If they wanted to study social sciences or education they would go to Jersey City State, if they wanted to study science, technical fields they would go to Stevens. But even though they were studying on these other campuses, they were technically Hudson County Community College students paying a reduced tuition rate and they weren't full-fledged students of those colleges for their first two years. And then if they wanted to transfer to a four-year degree, unless they wanted to change their area of study, they could probably stay right there, and they would transition from being a county-supported student to a student at Saint Peter's or Stevens. So, the first year, the first couple years I was teaching at the college I and my colleagues, I think most of them are before your time. But some of them, no—mentioning their names, you know Liliane [Macpherson], and Elaine [Foster], and Barry Tomkins, and Ted Kharpertian. I think you know all of them. Joan Rafter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=5981.65647,6116.52639"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think I happened to come in right at the end of the careers of all those people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6116.52639,6121.26981"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e We were all in the first group of hires at the college. Ted Lai right from the beginning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6121.26981,6127.68463"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And he’s still there right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6127.68463,6131.88903"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think he is. You can tell he's the record holder now but we taught remedial courses—college prep courses, we taught pre-college courses. Basically, we were responsible for what became the academic foundations program and little-by-little we made inroads into opportunities to teach college English or college math or college psychology, that kind of thing. It didn't come easy it was a bit of a struggle and the college understood that its future meant transitioning from a commission to a full-service college, and that's when our jobs really changed from being this pre-college service to providing the full two-year education for our students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6131.88903,6202.16666"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e So, in that commission era, the students were taking the college level classes, they were taking them at New Jersey State or St. Peter’s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6202.16666,6209.72735"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah although most of our students weren't, because as remedial students they had to take state qualifying tests. There was a basic skills test that students had to take and there still is. although the nature of it's changed a lot. But most of the students that came to us in our classes were not college ready. They were urban students—even having graduated, most of them from the local public schools, their test scores were very low. So it was very typical for students to need a full program of remedial education in English, reading, and math so that very few of them had mixed schedules where they would be taking college courses elsewhere but still coming to us for their academic skills courses.  Yeah they would do it in our little classrooms on Kennedy Boulevard and then they would take the placement test and we would","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6209.72735,6237.65843"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e our classes were not college ready. They were urban students—even having graduated, most of them from the local public schools, their test scores were very low. So it was very typical for students to need a full program of remedial education in English, reading, and math so that very few of them had mixed schedules where they would be taking college courses elsewhere but still coming to us for their academic skills courses.   Oh, so they would do that at the at the commission or at Hudson and then when they were done with that, move on?  Yeah they would do it in our little classrooms on Kennedy Boulevard and then they would take the placement test and we would congratulate the ones who passed and for the others well “see you next semester.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6237.65843,6301.29507"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and you would—what seems to you and even to me shockingly young at the time you were still in your 20s at this point right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6301.29507,6311.85437"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was—1977—I was twenty-six when I started and I was soon to turn twenty-seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6311.85437,6326.8817"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah so you had this group of friends, were you socializing with or hanging out at around that neighborhood or just work friends?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6326.8817,6337.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e We wouldn't hang around the neighborhood because there wasn't much there for us, we were not the diner crowd or if we wanted Chinese food it wouldn't be one of the Journal Square restaurants, but our original circle of faculty, people I named before, we're still all good friends and it was—once we had all moved, especially if we bought houses, all of us were party goers and party givers, so we would often gather at homes for parties and meet for theater, meet in restaurants, it's still the case. My wife, I mentioned before—they kind of adopted my wife as an honorary member of the circle and she's very close to my old Hudson colleagues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6337.0,6394.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah and then you moved. You were in that apartment, just a few blocks away from campus but you moved out to the suburbs around about—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6394.0,6404.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. In fact I remember there was even concern at the time that moving out of Hudson county—I mean I wasn't tenured at the time, and there was some concern that moving out of Hudson county could jeopardize one's long-term service to the college and there were some—this is before there was a union, and before the college had fully kind of gotten its charter as a full-service college, there was some concern as to whether you know your contract was in jeopardy if you moved out of Hudson county and eventually that was all cleared up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6404.0,6456.88845"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Was that a big—did you see that as a big step, you're moving out? I suppose you were living in the city of Boston, and Chicago was this—did you see it as a big step or something you were reluctant to do or excited?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6456.88845,6477.38085"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e No I was—we had friends and colleagues who lived in Montclair and the nearby suburbs of Hudson county, out of the county, and some still lived in the county, a number lived in Hoboken or Jersey City. But it was an easy enough commute that it didn't seem like a big deal as far as getting to work and they're very attractive communities and one of the big concerns was in terms of raising a family. All of our friends who lived in Hudson county, college friends especially, they had to make decisions about whether to send their kids to the public schools or to the local private schools or charter schools and so, many people like me, you move to the nearby suburbs in order to have a public school system that we felt better about for our families.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6477.38085,6548.44836"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And I suppose didn't feel like you were leaving Jersey City since you were there every day?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6548.44836,6555.80307"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely not, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6555.80307,6558.53328"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e You were still connected to the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6558.53328,6564.77667"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e As things changed, Jersey City and Hoboken became much more important to us culturally. As Hoboken changed, as the Jersey City waterfront changed, and with the restaurants and theater, and cultural opportunities and just—it became like a great place to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6564.77667,6589.30519"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh just coming back in to go to those places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6589.30519,6592.57457"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6592.57457,6597.41928"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Then we could go—yeah so you have this career of teaching, you have your family, you had you mentioned one son that you have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6597.41928,6605.51816"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, one son. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6605.51816,6608.72903"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.  Yeah and he doesn't know Jersey City. He was born after we moved to Maplewood and he went to the Maplewood South Orange schools and feels at home there. He lives in Manhattan now but he still has some friends around in that area, but when I take him to Jersey City I take him and show him about my childhood in early years, he's not particularly interested but it's totally alien to him—these places mean nothing to him, he's a suburban kid. I mean he was, now he's a New Yorker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6608.72903,6650.50177"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e He doesn't happen to live in the Lower East Side—that's become trendy now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6650.50177,6656.11288"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e He lives in Hell's Kitchen, which is very trendy, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6656.11288,6661.81233"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And let's see, are there other big moments, then with the career in that later period or did you have an awareness of these changes in Jersey City and their impacts? I mean part of it, I suppose, would be that the changes in the waterfront that made it a place for you to go, are there any other moments of those changes or changes to the student population that stand out to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6661.81233,6693.61457"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean, I saw these big transitions since I retired a little over two years ago, and before that there were two years of pandemic when I hardly went in. We still meet friends occasionally, often down by Grove Street, there are a couple of restaurants there that we enjoy going to. I still try to go into the college a couple times a year just to meet up with whoever's around and I miss very much just meeting old friends and colleagues in the hallways to chat. So I do keep up with that but it seems largely something that's fixed in memory but I've moved on with my own life and it's not central to me anymore in terms of daily life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6693.61457,6773.01703"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah do you have any feelings or expectations about what the future holds for that neighborhood for Journal Square or for Jersey City?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6773.01703,6781.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well I've lived—I was in Jersey City to see it become an enormous construction site and to see not much happening right in the center. I saw all the buildings go up on the periphery, near Pavonia, and near Summit Avenue, and Jersey City, I mean Journal Square became such a congested difficult place, especially to drive into. I would usually—until I moved here to Middletown, I would always drive to work, occasionally going by train but very rarely, usually if it was a snowstorm I would commute on public transportation. But Journal Square became so difficult to drive into and parking is almost impossible, unless you got there seven thirty in the morning with the limited parking space. So it seemed to becoming, to me to becoming very, almost a very hostile environment with the construction noise, and the congestion, and lack of easy transportation, and even teaching, there was often a racket with trucks, and with pile drivers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6781.0,6873.2011"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, more recently? Yeah, it’s constant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6873.2011,6876.59406"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, and so as far as the future, I mean if all these projects are fulfilled, and I think they're underway. I haven't been to the square in about almost a year, to see those planned buildings go up right next to 25 Journal Square, the public service building, I'm assuming when I go in again I'm going to see a lot of action there. Maybe not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6876.59406,6903.71595"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah constant and it's just so enormous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6903.71595,6905.70237"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's hard for me, it's going to become totally unrecognizable. When I think of how it's going to look like, I can't help but imagine it's something like Hudson Yards in New York, just towers with tiny little canyons in between them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6905.70237,6923.4016"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah it struck me when you described that PATH building opening in the 60s, that it was this modern—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6923.4016,6930.36546"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6930.36546,6932.25135"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Very modern-looking, concrete structure must have really stood out and now very soon it's already being dwarfed by these other residential towers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6932.25135,6938.88365"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah imagine this, given the value of the land, and probably the need to kind of reconfigure the building for their own purposes it wouldn't surprise me to see it be replaced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6938.88365,6956.63886"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's funny that you described the development is happening on the periphery, but from my point of view of not being from Journal Square, and not being from Jersey City, that it always seemed like in your mind Journal Square is the center right? But for my mind, Journal Square was always under construction, or empty lots, and all these things were going on, that must be the center of Jersey City, over by downtown. Everything's going on over there, but it took a long time for it to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=6956.63886,6989.69919"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah well things are overbuilt everywhere so I think that a lot of the construction in Journal Square results from the waterfront area and Newport being overbuilt, and this is where the land was, and where the teardowns could be. But that big square, the big empty lot where the Kushner Towers are supposed to go up, that's the heart of the heart of Journal Square to me. That's right where the entrance to the tubes was and where some of the other places I remember—the Orange Julius and the pizza joints where I used to go to. All there, now it's just dirt. Well now, I don’t know.   Yeah, the first time I saw it was actually a painting of that arcade you were talking about. I couldn't orient myself, I said “how could there where the land was, and where the teardowns could be. But that big square, the big empty lot where the Kushner Towers are supposed to go up, that's the heart of the heart of Journal Square to me. That's right where the entrance to the tubes was and where some of the other places I remember—the Orange Julius and the pizza joints where I used to go to. All there, now it's just dirt. Well now, I don’t know.   Well now it's twenty, fifty stories of concrete.  Is it really?   Yeah. 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I'm gonna","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=7046.50868,7050.10487"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it really? there sometime in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=7050.10487,7005.46287"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e be. But that big square, the big empty lot where the Kushner Towers are supposed to go up, that's the heart of the heart of Journal Square to me. That's right where the entrance to the tubes was and where some of the other places I remember—the Orange Julius and the pizza joints where I used to go to. All there, now it's just dirt. Well now, I don’t know.   Yeah, the first time I saw it was actually a painting of that arcade you were talking about. I couldn't orient myself, I said “how could there Well now it's twenty, fifty stories of concrete. There's Is it really? Yeah. where the land was, and where the teardowns could be. But that big square, the big empty lot where the Kushner Towers are supposed to go up, that's the heart of the heart of Journal Square to me. That's right where the entrance to the tubes was and where some of the other places I remember—the Orange Julius and the pizza joints where I used to go to. All there, now it's just dirt. Well now, I don’t know.   Well now it's twenty, fifty stories of concrete.  Is it really?   Yeah.  I haven't seen—I’ve got to go. I'm gonna be there sometime in early spring, for sure, yeah.   Yeah, the first time I saw it was actually a painting of that arcade you were talking about. I couldn't orient myself, I said “how could there be? There's no street there,” but that—yeah that had been gone since I started in there fifteen years ago. ago.  Yeah I mean,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=7005.46287,7071.59585"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e in there fifteen years ago. Yeah I mean, one interesting thing that I wonder about is with all of these new residential towers, how is the kind of culture of Journal Square going to change? With restaurants, I mean they're—Journal Square does not have the kind of restaurant life or nightlife to suit the status of the people who are moving in. So probably these buildings are going to be followed by lots of good restaurants, and maybe new movie theaters, and other types of theaters, and shops. It's probably going to be a huge transformation culturally even, once the buildings go up. heard about plans over the years, I mean there's been so many plans and it's been such a long process, I ago.  Yeah I mean, one interesting thing that I wonder about is with all of these new residential towers, how is the kind of culture of Journal Square going to change? With restaurants, I mean they're—Journal Square does not have the kind of restaurant life or nightlife to suit the status of the people who are moving in. So probably these buildings are going to be followed by lots of good restaurants, and maybe new movie theaters, and other types of theaters, and shops. It's probably going to be a huge transformation culturally even, once the buildings go up.   Yeah and have you heard about the plans for the Loew’s?  I've heard about plans over the years, I mean there's been so many plans and it's been such a long process, I don't know what the latest is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=7071.59585,7139.2462"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e The latest is, it's gonna be renovated, some eye-popping amount of money. and it'll be this premier performing arts center, so it would have whatever you would have in the performing arts center of that size, but yeah just acts and performances there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=7139.2462,7158.25801"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. You know, just those—that kind of sketch, that's been in the works for a long time so I think maybe there's a new plan but I think that plan is probably the successor to a series of earlier projects that just never panned out. That just got passed on, and passed on to new investors or donors, and maybe it's with relatively little happening. For a while, maybe even in your time, the college took an interest in the Loew’s and there were some college events that were held there. Faculty events and dinners and there was a lot of talk about the Loew’s being a home for our theater program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=7158.25801,7208.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that would be interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=7208.0,7211.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRUBINSTEIN:\u003c/strong\u003e But that didn't happen either, maybe one day it will, just like maybe the—I mean I haven't talked to the art faculty for a while to know if they see a future for the college connected to the Pompidou building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=7211.0,7230.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467/transcript/72706/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEGAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah there was some event, related to that at the college's art gallery. So, we could end. I think we've gotten up to—went from the very beginning up to today and into the future so this is the end. [END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/137241/file/254467#t=7230.0,7260.048"}]}]}]}