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His connections to Jersey City started with his time as a student at Jersey City State College (today’s NJCU) where he was drawn to diversity and range of new experiences available there.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eHe discusses his experiences as a gay man in the early post-Stonewall era and later in the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003ePeacock’s career takes several interesting turns through the Newark and New York City public schools, library school and briefly the Social Security Administration, but there is a general through line of teaching and public service.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eHe also reflects on his long time in Journal Square, how the neighborhood has changed and how his connection to it also has. and what he foresees for its future.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© 2026 Hudson County Community College\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eThis interview and its associated materials are licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International. 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The interview","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4.96,8.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was conducted at HTCC on November 11, 2025 by Sean Egan as part of the Crossroads Lifetimes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=8.8,16.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Around Journal Square project. Peacock discusses growing up in Newark, attending Catholic school,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=16.0,21.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and experiencing the impact of the 1967 riots. His connection to Jersey City started with his","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=21.44,27.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time as a student at Jersey City State College, today's NJCU, where he was drawn to the diversity","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=27.6,33.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and range of new experiences there. He discusses his experiences as a gay man in the early post","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=33.84,39.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Stonewall era and later in the AIDS crisis in the 1980s. Peacock's career after college takes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=39.44,47.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"several interesting turns through the Newark and New York City public schools, library school,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=47.04,52.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and briefly the Social Security Administration, but there's a general through line of teaching","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=52.4,57.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and public service throughout all of them. He also reflects on his long time in Journal Square,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=57.36,62.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how the neighborhood has changed, and how his own connection to the neighborhood has","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=62.16,65.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"changed in that time, and what he foresees for its future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=65.84,68.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sean Egan, and this is November 10th at Hudson County Community College","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=68.64,76.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the culinary building. Could you introduce yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=76.56,80.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My name is Tim Peacock. I'm a retired professor of English here at Hudson County Community College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=80.96,88.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we've chatted a little bit about this before, but let's go back to what you were talking about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=88.64,95.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"before. We are doing this project on Journal Square, but we just ask people about their whole","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=95.68,100.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lives and how they got here, what their experiences were before. So where did you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=100.64,106.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grow up and what type of neighborhood? I was born and raised in Newark, New Jersey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=106.24,111.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went to schools there. The first time I came to Jersey City was the fall of 1970.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=111.36,120.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had applied to Jersey City State College, what was known as Jersey City State College,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=120.08,128.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which is now New Jersey City University. And I was accepted into the school, and I did not have a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=128.0,136.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"car, so it was important that I knew how to get to Jersey City. So there was a lady who lived in my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=136.64,144.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"house in the basement of our family home. She worked in Jersey City. She says, \"Oh, it's easy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=144.16,150.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to get to Jersey City. All you have to do is go out to Springfield Avenue and take the number one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=150.4,155.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bus, the number one bus to Jersey City.\" I didn't apply to any other local schools. I just had my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=155.2,163.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"heart set on Jersey City because I knew that it was convenient in terms of travel and also","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=163.6,170.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the costs. The costs were within my financial range there. So the first time I came to Jersey","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=170.08,177.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"City, I took the number one bus and got off at Communapaw Avenue, Communapaw and Kennedy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=177.92,186.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Boulevard, and I was able to walk from that corner to the college. There was also a number 10 bus","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=186.24,192.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from Journal Square that you could take, and I didn't know anything about that then. I had been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=192.8,197.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a college student for about two years, and someone said, \"You know, you don't have to take the number","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=197.92,204.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one bus. 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It will let you off in front of the college.\" So actually, when I first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=209.2,216.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came to the college, a little bit later, I'm sorry, a little bit later, my junior year, I got a car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=216.48,222.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother gave me a car, so I was able to drive. 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I'll talk a little bit more about it later, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=234.72,244.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Journal Square looked quite different from what it is now. 1972, it's not the same at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=244.96,254.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. What kind of neighborhood did you grow up in in Newark? Right, I grew up in Newark in what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=254.08,260.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was called the Central Ward of Newark, not too far from the downtown area. I lived two blocks away","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=260.0,269.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from my grammar school to St. Mary's Grammar School, and in that neighborhood we also had Arts","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=269.44,276.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"High School. I lived directly across the street from a funeral home, and I knew the family who ran","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=276.24,283.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the funeral home, and they would always joke. They said, \"Oh, as soon as you get your driver's license,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=283.68,289.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we need some extra help. We need someone to drive the hearse on occasion.\" I never took them up on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=289.76,296.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that offer. I was not interested in driving the hearse, but it was a very nice neighborhood then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=296.64,303.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're talking about pre-1967, 1968, before the riots occurred in many of the major cities across","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=303.36,313.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the country, including Newark. I was in high school when the riots occurred. I remember summer of '67,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=313.52,321.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then later after the assassination of Dr. King, April of '68, there was additional unrest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=321.2,332.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the inner city areas. I had a very pleasant life growing up in Newark. Did the riots affect","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=332.24,346.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your neighborhood? The riots did not affect my neighborhood directly. I will say, though,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=346.0,351.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that my understanding is there were 22 fatalities. 22 people lost their lives as a result of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=351.84,359.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"riot. The funeral home across the street from me had 20 of those bodies, so there were funerals","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=359.84,370.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around the clock for a period of two to three weeks. There were lots of funerals. It just so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=370.16,376.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"happens that that mortician was responsible for putting those folks away. I also remember that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=376.56,385.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"summer I had to go to high school. I went to a Catholic high school for boys, and I did not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=385.92,390.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do well in geometry that year, so I had to repeat geometry, and I was told I could repeat it at the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=390.16,396.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"local public high school, so I went to what is Westside High School in Newark. I had a wonderful","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=396.72,406.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"experience there, earned an A in geometry. I focused on geometry. I had a great teacher","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=406.96,413.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in summer school, but in order to get to the school, there were checkpoints in Newark where","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=413.84,420.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had, when I left my neighborhood, I had to tell the police officers or national guardsmen actually","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=420.4,428.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where I was going. I had to have proof that I was going to summer school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=428.08,433.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, the riots did not occur in my neighborhood directly, but around the fringes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=433.12,441.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"street called Springfield Avenue, there were a lot of stores that were destroyed and looted,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=441.36,448.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and that street was never the same again after the riots. I distinctly remember that, and I also","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=448.32,456.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remember sitting on the front porch of my street and seeing tanks roll down the street,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=456.4,461.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and being told by my stepmother, \"You should not sit out here.\" She said, \"Come and sit in the back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=461.04,468.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the house. Don't sit on the front steps because you don't want to be the victim of a sniper's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=468.0,474.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bullet.\" That's engraved in my mind, seeing that, and then going in the house, and then seeing it on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=474.24,481.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"television, on the evening news that riots were breaking out all over. Here we are live from Newark,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=481.76,491.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"New Jersey, and I recognize a lot of the places, of course, in those videos. Was the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=491.12,499.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"civil rights movement and these different activist things in the '60s, was that present in the high","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=499.2,508.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school, or were you engaged with what was going on? The high school I went to, Essex Catholic High","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=508.4,513.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"School for Boys, there were very few African American students. I think I was one of maybe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=513.84,523.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a dozen, and I believe when I was a student there, we had 2,600 students, so I was definitely in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=523.28,532.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"minority there. I was wondering when I went back to high school that fall, this is the fall of '67,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=532.72,541.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what the other students were going to say, what the white students might say. Several black students,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=541.2,550.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we all looked at each other and we said, \"Wow, they're looking at us and they're thinking about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=550.24,555.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the riots and wondering if we were part of the riots or had something to do with the riots at all.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=555.76,563.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was very quiet. No one said anything. School went on, beginning of my junior year, thinking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=563.44,571.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about taking the PSAT and getting ready for college and doing well in our classes. No one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=571.44,578.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said anything. It really was not addressed at all. I don't remember any assemblies or even any teachers","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=578.4,584.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talking about it. And life went on. And then again, in April of '68, right after the assassination of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=584.64,594.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr. King, there were disturbances across the country too, but we all joked and we said, \"Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=594.16,600.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there's nothing left to tear up in Newark.\" The folks tore everything up the first time the riots","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=600.32,605.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"occurred, so the second time, of course, it was not as bad as the first, you might say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=605.2,613.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So life went on. Life went on and junior year became senior year and I was able to apply","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=613.6,622.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to college. I do remember one thing about high school. In senior year, one of the guidance","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=622.24,631.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"counselors called all the black students into his office. 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And particularly,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=645.76,651.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we were told, to be blunt, anyone who wants to go to Seton Hall, we have a scholarship available","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=651.68,659.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for you if you want to go to Seton Hall. And I thought about it and I said, \"You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=659.52,665.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've had 12 years of Catholic education. I do not want to go to a Catholic college.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=665.44,670.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"I know if I go to a Catholic college, I'm going to have to take 12 credits in theology","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=670.08,675.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and religion.\" And I had had enough. So I turned down Seton Hall and I think about that a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=675.36,681.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What would life have been like? What would my career have been like if I had gone to Seton","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=681.76,686.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hall? And I believe at that time, Seton Hall was still all men. Seton Hall did not become co-ed","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=686.24,692.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"until the mid-70s. Yeah. So that was the... Were you a family Catholic?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=692.72,700.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My family was Protestant. They were Baptists. 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But as the years progressed and changes took place in the city,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=713.76,722.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the public schools were not so good. 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There were spaces in those Catholic grammar schools because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=737.2,741.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a lot of the middle-class white folks had moved out of the neighborhood. So they were accepting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=741.68,747.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"non-Catholic students. As a non-Catholic student, you had to take part in the religion classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=747.44,753.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But my family was told that if they had me baptized as a Catholic, and I became an altar boy,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=753.68,759.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they would waive the tuition. So my mother very quickly said something like, \"Give me a glass of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=759.76,766.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"water. I'll baptize him right now so that we don't have to pay the tuition.\" And to tell you the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=766.8,773.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"truth, you know, back then the tuition was only six dollars a month. Every the first of the month,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=773.6,780.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you'd bring an envelope in and hand it to your teacher, most of whom were nuns at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=780.64,786.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A five dollar bill and a one dollar bill, six dollars a month. But I didn't even have to pay","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=786.4,792.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that. I was an altar boy, served mass, served funerals, weddings. On occasion, especially in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=792.4,800.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the eighth grade, someone would knock on the door and say, \"Can Timothy come down to the church? 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So I went on to a public college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=831.28,838.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was going to college just an expectation or what was your parents' background? Were you the first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=838.72,846.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to go to college? I was the first in my family to go to college. And I was so well prepared for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=846.88,854.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"college. I thought about that. I did not have to take any remedial classes in college. I had a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=854.0,858.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"first-rate education. I came out of a Catholic high school for boys conducted by the Irish Christian","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=858.64,865.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"brothers. So at first I thought, \"Wow.\" I said, \"I thought this was going to be so difficult and all.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=865.28,872.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was not. I was more than adequately prepared to handle college-level work. 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Tracy City State College, a very small campus at the time. If you go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=899.76,907.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the college now, the university now, and many, many new buildings that were not there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=907.36,913.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when I was a student, 1970, 1974. And it was like an oasis in the middle of that area of Jersey City,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=913.12,922.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that neighborhood in Jersey City. We had a lovely campus, beautiful trees, a gorgeous Gothic building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=922.32,929.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was like something, like a picture postcard. The neighborhood was quite lovely. 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And I had a great experience there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=937.68,947.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you have an idea of what you wanted to study going in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=947.84,953.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. I always wanted to be a teacher. I always thought I wanted to give back in some way. 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But yeah, I always liked English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=977.44,987.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I always liked reading. I was always the type of kid who would read whenever we had assignments.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=987.84,992.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would do my reading assignments. I remember for the four summers that I was in high school,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=992.96,1002.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we were given a reading list. And you were given a list of about a dozen books. You had to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=1002.48,1008.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"choose any seven out of the 12 that you wanted to read. 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They'd give us this multiple choice test on the seven books that we had read.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=1020.24,1026.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I can remember every summer getting that reading list, going downtown Newark. There","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=1026.88,1033.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was a bookstore downtown Newark and buying those paperbacks, always the paperbacks. 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I remember reading,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=1064.32,1069.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we mentioned Animal Farm, A Separate Piece. I'm trying to think of a few of the others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=1069.92,1077.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I can't, I can't think of anything else. I was going to say Things Fall Apart. 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Shoe repair shop,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2059.36,2065.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"hosiery. 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So close to the PATH train. And that's true for a lot of folks, young folks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2084.64,2094.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We just got on the train and went into New York. There was nothing really going on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2094.08,2097.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Journal Square. There were a couple bars. 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So if you went into New York, you came back one or two o'clock in the morning and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2114.96,2119.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, you've had a little too much to drink and you want to stop and eat something,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2119.68,2123.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you can go into one of those diners. There was actually the building that they just tore down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2123.76,2133.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're putting a parking lot or something there. That was a diner. It was a 24-hour cafeteria. There","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2133.6,2139.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were cafeterias where you would get a tray and get online just like in high school. 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You just went along the line and paid at the register.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2150.0,2154.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what neighborhoods were you going into?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2154.0,2159.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was going to the Village. Going to the Village, meeting friends, going to bars and clubs there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2159.68,2166.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I will say, and I'm not going to strike this from the record because this is true,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2166.08,2173.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Journal Square was active at night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2173.36,2176.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At night, Journal Square. 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Valesburg, at that point, the neighborhood was integrating. The neighborhood,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2255.2,2264.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more black folks were moving into the neighborhood. But the high school was still","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2264.64,2269.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"50% white, 50% black, maybe 60, 40. And a very well-maintained neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2269.44,2279.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we were told that there were predominantly Italian neighborhood. And we were told that there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2279.28,2290.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were people who were members of the mafia who lived in that neighborhood. So we told the students,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2290.16,2296.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be very careful when you're walking through this neighborhood because we don't want anybody getting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2296.56,2300.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"into trouble with any of these neighbors. Do not sit on anyone's steps. Do not throw garbage on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2300.96,2306.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anyone's lawn. Do not speak loudly when you're walking through the streets. Do not do anything","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2306.48,2312.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to bring attention to yourself because these folks are not going to tolerate it. 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So we were just mindful that, you know, this is not our neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2355.76,2366.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're coming to work in someone else's neighborhood and you have to just be considerate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2366.24,2373.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and careful and cautious. Yeah. I don't think we ever handed students a letter or document or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2373.28,2381.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything, but they knew. We told them in so many words, \"You're on your best behavior.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2381.28,2389.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You'll be careful as you're walking through the neighborhoods. Oh, for black students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2389.04,2394.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. Yeah. And were they coming in from different neighborhoods? 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I don't remember having specific programs. We weren't a magnet school for anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2413.36,2421.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But like I said, the neighborhood was integrating. 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And many middle-class black people bought those homes from the Jewish","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2469.12,2476.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people in the weak wake section. And these were lovely homes. 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Many black people were coming up from the south in the '40s","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2533.36,2538.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and '50s. They would move into the old tenements that the Jewish people had left. And many of those","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2538.8,2545.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"old buildings, of course, were owned by Jewish people. 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And just to be sure, my mother's African-American, but my father was Italian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2563.28,2569.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So not that that had anything to do with anything. 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I felt an obligation to tell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2602.48,2609.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them, you know, that I had a biracial background. I wasn't hiding anything. I wasn't hiding anything","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2609.2,2615.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in high school either. I've had people tell me, \"Oh, why do you tell anyone you're part black?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2615.04,2621.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You could easily pass for white.\" And I said, \"Wow.\" I said, \"Why would I want to?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2621.6,2627.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No? So yeah, but Falesbury was a marvelous experience. 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I decided I wanted to go to Rutgers New Brunswick and attend library school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2635.36,2643.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I want to get back to something that we came very close to, just the time and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2643.6,2653.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"place and situation to the Stonewall riots, which would have been in the village around that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2653.76,2659.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That Stonewall, June of 1969, which I would have been, I would have just finished my junior year","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2659.28,2668.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in high school. I knew nothing about that. I wasn't aware of it. I didn't see any,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2668.08,2673.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't remember seeing, reading about it or hearing anything about it on television.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2673.04,2678.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I was not out then, as you say. So that was over my head. 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But as a high school student","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2693.12,2701.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and my senior year, I was, I was unaware of that. Even for the first few years of college,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2701.92,2706.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't know anything about the village. I don't think I went to New York into the village until","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2706.88,2712.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"maybe my junior year of college. And then those years after you'd graduated? I had friends who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2712.56,2722.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lived there and I would continue to go over there, you know, to socialize and visit people. 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Then, you know, I learned about it and I may have participated in a couple of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2734.16,2739.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"early parades. I don't remember now. And again, Journal Square at that time, there were no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2739.2,2752.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gay bars at all. So for those who wanted to be around others of their persuasion,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2752.08,2759.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you pretty much had to go into New York. I think on occasion, Jersey City has tried,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2759.2,2766.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they've opened a bar here, a bar there in Jersey City in the intervening years, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2766.08,2774.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"no one bar lasted long. It was not successful. For some reason, you can't open a gay bar here","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2774.32,2782.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Jersey City and keep it going. I don't know if that's not true now, but leave downtown Jersey","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2782.96,2790.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"City. There are one or two places and things are different today. People, gay and straight,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2790.16,2794.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they all mix together a new generation. They don't necessarily want to isolate themselves","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2794.8,2799.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or segregate themselves. They're perfectly happy mixing with straight folks, bisexual, whatever,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2799.52,2805.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LGBTQ people. So then you're leaving this whole area behind. You moved to Brunswick?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2805.28,2816.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I stayed in Jersey City. I was commuting from Jersey City to Newark and from Newark to New","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2816.56,2821.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brunswick. All right. That was some commute. And I did a year, year and a half of graduate school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2821.84,2828.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was before computers, by the way. And at some point, the commute just got to be too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2828.72,2836.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And some of the library courses, the cataloging courses were just a little too technical for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2836.32,2842.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I love reading books. I did well in children's literature, history of libraries. But I decided,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2842.56,2851.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I was, by the way, the only man in many of my classes then at library school. There are very few","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2851.04,2858.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"men. And even the men who were in classes were interested in going into administration. 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And then I said, no, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2870.24,2878.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"decided to change again. And I, oh boy. While I was in library school, I got a job at the Jersey","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2878.96,2888.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"City Public Library as a librarian trainee. I was told that as long as you stay in library school,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2888.96,2895.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we'll have a job for you here. So I was working at the five corners branch of the public library","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2895.36,2903.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"here, not too far from Journal Square. For at least two years, even after I stopped","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2903.2,2909.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going to school, they kept me on. At one point, personnel called me in and said, you know, you're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2909.92,2919.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"taking a job from someone who is in library school pursuing the degree. You know, we've kept you,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2919.6,2926.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but it's obvious you have no interest in completing this degree. So we think it's best that you move on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2926.56,2932.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- And you had quit the high school, the teaching job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2932.08,2936.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- Yeah, I did. I did. I had the three years of teaching. And I think now I said, you could have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2936.32,2943.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gone to library school part-time and kept that teaching job. Why didn't you do that? We all make","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=2943.92,2948.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"decisions that we regret later on. 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Still in Journal Square.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3095.92,3100.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- What neighborhood were you teaching in? - In New York City. In New York City, I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3100.16,3106.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really fortunate. I was teaching in Gramercy Park. And I started in an all girls high school,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3106.4,3114.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the last all girls high school in New York City, Washington Irving High School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3114.56,3120.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"While I was there, we slowly went co-ed. But for the first four or five years,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3120.72,3129.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I taught at that school, it was all girls. The last all girls high school in Manhattan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3129.6,3136.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is now co-ed, of course. When I left, they had gone co-ed. 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How did neighborhoods change?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3151.52,3156.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- Yeah. Nothing really much changed. 1980s, the commute back and forth to Journal Square.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3156.48,3171.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For a while though, I left New York in the mid '80s. And I did live in Manhattan. 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So I've been here now, what, 35, 36 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3187.68,3191.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was living in New York. I was always someone's roommate. I really couldn't afford to have my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3191.84,3200.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"own apartment. 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It's a studio apartment, a huge studio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3211.04,3218.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when I moved in in 1988, the rent was $300 a month. I don't see any change. You were talking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3218.08,3224.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about changes, right? 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I began in, my mom passed away in the spring of 1984.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3304.56,3319.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right after she passed, I attempted graduate school again. Attempted graduate school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3319.04,3326.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went back to NJCU, Jersey City State College. 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And the federal government job is probably very stable and predictable and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3576.8,3583.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that sitting just got to, I was so used to getting up and moving around. I just could not,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3583.44,3587.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was boring too. Let's be real, it's boring. 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I didn't have time to finish the paperwork from the last client.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3597.36,3604.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm trying to finish it. So I've jumped around a lot. 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And there was one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3619.04,3624.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I stayed with Hudson and went through the, started out as an adjunct, temporary full-time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3624.8,3636.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tenure track, tenure, right up until retirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3636.88,3641.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't realize it was that close to when I started in 2009.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3641.12,3647.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"2009. I received tenure in 2009. So I had begun here about 2005 or six.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3647.36,3655.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. One semester as an adjunct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3655.04,3662.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Negar put me on the tenure track right away. Oh yeah. Right. And that would have been,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3662.72,3668.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yeah. So what were you doing in the nineties? Those different jobs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3668.88,3674.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the nineties, right. There were different jobs. 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There was the Episcopal Community Development Corporation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3720.32,3726.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they were interesting. I met a lot of very interesting clients, people of all backgrounds","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3726.88,3733.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who were for one reason or another down on their luck on public assistance. 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Well, we did quite well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3754.0,3760.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So yeah, I was working in community-based organizations","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3760.08,3770.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"right through the 90s, mid-90s, late 90s, in the early 2000s. Last job before I came here","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3770.48,3779.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to Hudson, I was at a school called Independence High School. It was an alternative high school","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3779.6,3786.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for troubled youth, let's say, on Grove Street, right near Garden State Parkway in Irvington.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3786.08,3793.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think I've heard of that. Is that still around?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3793.36,3797.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think, yeah, we would get the students from DIFUS, Division of Youth and Family Services.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3797.28,3802.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were a handful. A lot of those students had major issues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3802.4,3807.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Classes were small. I could do pretty much whatever I wanted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3807.04,3812.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know, I've always had a knack for dealing with young people with issues and problems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3812.72,3823.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know, maybe there's a natural empathy concern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3823.76,3827.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For sure, I'm thankful that I did not have those issues when I was growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3827.68,3835.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's one of the reasons why I went into teaching. I wanted to,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3835.84,3839.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in some sense, give back. And thanks for what I had been given.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3839.04,3846.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In that period, what was your connection to the neighborhood or family and friends and community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3846.8,3855.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here in Jersey City, all of that time, somewhere around the late '90s, I joined a church in Harlem,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3855.92,3870.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in New York City, the late '90s. So I spent a lot of time in New York, going to the church","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3870.8,3878.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and different functions. I've always been a theater-goer, sometimes twice a week,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3878.8,3883.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"going into Manhattan to the theater. I didn't really socialize here in Jersey City or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3883.6,3892.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Journal Square. There was nothing really here for me. It was just a place to live and come home and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3892.08,3898.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"change clothes, whatever, and I would go into the city to hang out. In about 2010,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3898.08,3913.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I joined the church here in Jersey City. I joined the Salem Baptist Church in Jersey City. So I've","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3913.76,3921.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"been a member of Salem Baptist Church since 2010. It was just easier for me to join a local","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3921.04,3928.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"church instead of making that commute to Harlem on Sundays. This is right around the time I got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3928.16,3942.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tenure, but it just made sense for me to live and go to church in a community where I worked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3942.24,3955.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's what I wanted to say. Yeah. So I can't believe I left Newark in '74,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3955.04,3962.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and now it's 2025. I haven't lived in Newark in 51 years, but I have been here for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3962.24,3969.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/561","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"36, 37 years now. And where's that church? Salem Baptist Church is in the Bergen Lafayette section","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3969.6,3979.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/562","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of Jersey City. And it's a 20-buck walk for me on Sundays. I was recently the co-chair of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3979.44,3995.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/563","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"search committee for a new senior pastor. We were without a senior pastor for four years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=3995.84,4000.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/564","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I was co-chair. We have a new pastor in place now. It's a very long story. It was a very difficult","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4000.32,4007.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"process. It's a rite of passage looking for a new senior pastor. But my committee and I, we did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4007.92,4017.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We did it. It was a learning process. I learned a lot with the interviews and looking for someone's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4017.6,4025.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"small congregation. I've been told that at one point we had a thousand members many, many years","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4025.76,4030.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ago before my time. We're down to about 25 members now. People have moved out of the neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4030.64,4036.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They've gone to other parts of New Jersey. They've sold their homes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4036.4,4040.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Their children did not want to live in those homes. Everyone wants to move to the suburbs or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4040.72,4049.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"down back south. A lot of people headed south. So it's a very small congregation. We have a small","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4049.12,4055.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"congregation, but we're like a family. So I look forward every Sunday to going to service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4055.92,4063.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. The time period you lived here, the demographics of the neighborhood changed so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4063.76,4068.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much. You had the South Asian community. I can see that. Yeah. A large influx of people from,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4068.96,4075.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you're saying South Asia, large Indian population, Filipino population, very large.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4075.76,4083.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's had an impact on the neighborhood. You hear different languages spoken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4083.28,4091.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some people dressed in their native garb. But I think Journal Square was always an area of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4091.6,4099.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"transition. People coming and going. It's a business area. And we're so close to McGinley","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4099.92,4108.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Square. McGinley Square is a miniature version of Journal Square. And you have Hudson Catholic","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4108.24,4113.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"high school out there, which has since gone coed. So it's a business district. 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This might just be a step.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4255.12,4260.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/599","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My understanding is that a studio in one of the new buildings is going for $3,000 a month. 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So I think it's a place to live while you're young, pursuing your career, learning the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4275.68,4284.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/602","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"language. You already have the computer skills, the tech skills. 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You have to work 10, 11, 12 hours","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4297.2,4304.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"until the work is done. And they can afford $8 coffees and 9, 10, $11 to go entrees if not even,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4304.08,4313.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/606","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if not more. They have the disposable income and they're willing to spend it. But you're right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4313.76,4319.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/607","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think they're going to stay here once they marry and have children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4319.68,4325.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, and they'll spend a lot of that money in Manhattan, like you did when you were younger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4325.52,4329.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/609","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There we go. We lived here and hung out in somewhere else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4329.6,4332.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/610","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm very impressed with downtown though. Downtown has undergone a transition. 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You didn't want to be downtown in Jersey City at night. But now,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4353.84,4358.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/614","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the new buildings, they took the trestle down. Grove Street is thriving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4358.32,4364.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/615","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are lots of shops and restaurants there. And as I said, there are one or two gay bars","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4364.4,4370.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"down there now. So that area has really grown. I'm wondering if that is going to happen on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4370.4,4378.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/617","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Journal Square in the years to come. Yeah. And have the changes here impacted you yet?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4378.88,4389.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/618","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not really. I would like to have, we have a Bergen Square supermarket, the Old Seatown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4389.76,4401.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's called Bergen Square. Between that and the Korean produce places we have on McGinley Square,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4401.52,4409.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm able to shop for fresh fruit and vegetables and everything else for reasonable prices.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4409.6,4417.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I prepare my own meals. I eat quite well. I don't know if we had a Whole Foods,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4417.44,4425.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would even go in if I could go someplace else and get things cheaper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4425.76,4429.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what is your prediction or what do you think or hope will happen in the neighborhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4429.92,4439.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know. Having said everything, I would like to put my name on a waiting list","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4439.2,4448.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for subsidized housing on Journal Square. All these buildings are going up. 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So there's always a mysterious list somewhere where you can put","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4465.36,4473.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your name. I want to put my name on the list. It doesn't have to be right on Journal Square,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4473.44,4478.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/629","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"could be any of these buildings, but I'm in an old Art Deco building. It's faded. 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I do. I think I've told you. I go to Cape Cod every summer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4504.0,4510.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I love Provincetown. I think I'd like to live there year round, but if you don't write or paint,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4510.64,4516.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there's not much to do up there year round. People who have nothing to do, they start the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4516.32,4521.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cocktail hour around noon and I don't want to start my cocktail hour around noon. And I want","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4521.84,4528.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to stay in this area because I love going to the theater. I'm very involved in theater and I want","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4528.64,4533.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be able to just jump on the train and go into Manhattan and go to the theater or going to Newark","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4533.28,4539.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/639","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to NJPAC. And in a couple of years, this renovated Lowe's will have something. I'm not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4539.12,4546.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a beautiful interior. It's a faded interior now. Of course they're renovating,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4546.32,4551.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but back in the day that was a beautiful theater and I'm glad they did not tear it down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4551.2,4555.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They could repurpose it and they probably will use it for different types of events,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4555.28,4562.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but it's a beautiful theater, grand art deco theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4562.64,4566.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, that was it. I've run past my closing questions. I start at the beginning,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4566.32,4574.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"get to thoughts about the future. Do you have anything else?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4574.64,4577.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm just glad to see that General Square is undergoing, let's call it a renaissance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4577.52,4587.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For a long time we had right in the dead center of the square an area that was torn down,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4587.68,4593.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nothing on it for at least a dozen years. So that's good to see that there is growth, there's progress.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4593.44,4599.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/649","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's great to be close to public transportation, inexpensive public transportation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4599.84,4608.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/650","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People are coming and going. Like I said, we need more shops, more services.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4608.4,4615.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/651","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that will come. Hopefully that will come as people of diverse backgrounds move into the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4615.52,4622.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/652","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"neighborhood. It's still a thriving neighborhood and there's nothing like being close to public","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4622.48,4628.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/653","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"transportation. Thanks for your time. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4628.08,4633.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/654","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks for your time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732#t=4633.76,4634.7"},{"id":"https://aviary.hudsonoralhistory.org/collections/3040/collection_resources/174248/file/313732/transcript/95161/annotation/655","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"- Okay. 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